I see a host ask with a straight face whether every child in America should have secret service detail?
All I see is a host being rude to his guest, not letting the guest get a word in edgewise, and throwing out red herrings like a fish market.
But yeah, I see why Rick liked it, because it involved the typical fauxgressive technique of shouting down your opponent and throwing out absurd red herrings and straw men.
Mr. LaPierre and the NRA argue that there should be armed guards at every school. For the sake of argument, if we did that in Miami-Dade County Public Schools, it would cost about $33 million for salary and benefits to place an officer at each one of the 350 schools and facilities with students in the county. For one fiscal year. That does not include the cost of equipment or support. The budget is already stretched to the limit.
That's a silly, if not treasonous question. Glorious Leader's Obamanomics prove that The Rich have more than enough to pay for everything The People need, we just need to tax them more. Obamanomics also proves that spending on one program always creates off-setting savings, somehow.
Do not ever dare to question how The Government can afford something lest I report you the Politburo.
Okay, we'll do it your way: a federal grant. Here are the numbers for Miami-Dade. It is the fourth-largest district in the country, with over 347,000 students. It has 354 schools or facilities with students, so we’ll need one guard per school. Let’s say that the base average salary of a guard is $75,000. I know that seems a little high for a cop, but we’re talking average salary, not starting.
But you just don’t pay for the base salary and you’re done. There are other costs, such as paying into their retirement account, Social Security and Medicare contributions which the District has to pick up a portion of, contribution to health insurance, and the required payment of workers compensation, liability, and unemployment insurance, all required under contract or state or federal law. So let’s do the numbers:
Salary: $75,000.00 Retirement – 5.26%: $3,945.00 Social Security – 6.20%: $4,650.00 Medicare – 1.45%: $1,088.00 Health Insurance – $8,732.00 (lump sum per FTE) Workers Comp, etc. – 2.70%: $2,025.00 TOTAL: $95,440.00
That’s per school, per year, and it does not include overtime or shift differential if they work nights. Even without that factored in, it would come to a total of $33,785,583.00 for the entire district. Plus you need to add the indirect cost allowance which is included in every federal grant. The current rate is 3.77%, which amounts to $1,237,716, which brings it to a grand total of $35,059,299.00
Too much? Okay, let’s say that they will only pay $75,000 per guard, including the fringes. That brings the salary down to $57,320.00, but it is still going to cost $27,550,808.00 when you figure in the fringes and indirect.
What if we hired private security firms to do all the work and avoid paying all that stuff like retirement and health insurance? After all, those are just entitlements, right? Okay, but a private firm is going to add those costs into the contract, plus this being America and all, there’s going to be a profit written into the contract, and even if it’s a tiny little margin like 3%, it’s still going to cost the same if not more than if they were school employees.
This does not include the cost of the additional insurance that the schools will need to pay for having someone walking around carrying a gun. That’s something you’ll need to take up with Risk Management, but my guess is that it will add about 5% to the budget.
That’s for one school district, albeit a big one. But let’s extrapolate that out to every district in the country, and lets round the number of schools to 100,000. We’re now into the $10 billion range. That’s billion with a B. And that does not include private schools, which will also need the guards and who aren’t all St. Grottlesex with huge endowments of money to pay for them.
We could pay for it by taxing every gun and bullet sold the same way we collect taxes on gasoline to pay for the highway system. Then everyone pays their fair share.
"We could pay for it by taxing every gun and bullet sold the same way we collect taxes on gasoline to pay for the highway system. Then everyone pays their fair share."
Not really, because the guards would also be there to deal with knives, pipes, bats and all other kinds of weapons that turn up at schools...both from outside attackers and the students themselves. We would have to tax knives, pipes and fists as well.
"Okay, let’s say that they will only pay $75,000 per guard"
Where do you get that ridiculous figure from? I have news for you. Most private security guards, like at banks, are doing about minimum wage. Don't be innumerate. Being a guard at a school would not be a dangerous job 99.99% of the time, and 99.99% of the guards would never be involved in any incidents in their entire careers. We don't need formal special forces or blackwater-like pros. 99% of the purpose is deterrent.
And besides, The Rich can just be taxed for it, right? And it's for The Children. Come on Bobby, be careful now or they'll take away your progressive card!
You really want a minimum wage guy carrying a gun guarding a school? That's ridiculous.
Okay, even if we paid them the same wage we pay for the average custodian at a school, you're into the $35,000 a year range including fringes. So it would cost about $15 million a year. Oh, and the ancillary costs such as overtime and equipment and training -- after all, minimum wage people need to be trained -- would bring you back up to pretty close to were you started.
Sorry, but that is not how Obamerica functions. Nah, I'm going to go ahead and let the general income, capital gains and estate tax payer foot the bill on this one.
Oh I absolutely wave the white flag on fiscal conservatism. I'm in the Dennis Miller camp on this one.
You fauxgressives built your class of millions of souls dependent upon the government, you sold them fabricated political candidates to vote for, and you won. I get that. Well played. I'm absolutely playing that game now myself. I don't think the bubble will last forever, but only a fool wouldn't try and get his share before it pops. Teaching my kids Chinese so they'll have a future.
So frankly, like Obamacare, I really don't have the slightest concern what it costs to put guards in schools. I'll mitigate my personal tax bill slightly by investing in private security firms, or any company that supplies the government with security equipment, training, etc. Compare to Obamacare, these guards are chump change. Again, just raise taxes on The Rich and let's Move Forward, Yes We Can!
Call it a white flag, call it pragmatism, I really don't care.
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I see a host ask with a straight face whether every child in America should have secret service detail?
All I see is a host being rude to his guest, not letting the guest get a word in edgewise, and throwing out red herrings like a fish market.
But yeah, I see why Rick liked it, because it involved the typical fauxgressive technique of shouting down your opponent and throwing out absurd red herrings and straw men.
Yep, it's all pretty ridiculous, JM. Almost as ridiculous as the commercial.
But, yeah, I like to LaPierre reduced to a stuttering, bumbling fool.
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Mr. LaPierre and the NRA argue that there should be armed guards at every school. For the sake of argument, if we did that in Miami-Dade County Public Schools, it would cost about $33 million for salary and benefits to place an officer at each one of the 350 schools and facilities with students in the county. For one fiscal year. That does not include the cost of equipment or support. The budget is already stretched to the limit.
Where will that $33 million come from?
"Where will that $33 million come from?"
That's a silly, if not treasonous question. Glorious Leader's Obamanomics prove that The Rich have more than enough to pay for everything The People need, we just need to tax them more. Obamanomics also proves that spending on one program always creates off-setting savings, somehow.
Do not ever dare to question how The Government can afford something lest I report you the Politburo.
Okay, we'll do it your way: a federal grant. Here are the numbers for Miami-Dade. It is the fourth-largest district in the country, with over 347,000 students. It has 354 schools or facilities with students, so we’ll need one guard per school. Let’s say that the base average salary of a guard is $75,000. I know that seems a little high for a cop, but we’re talking average salary, not starting.
But you just don’t pay for the base salary and you’re done. There are other costs, such as paying into their retirement account, Social Security and Medicare contributions which the District has to pick up a portion of, contribution to health insurance, and the required payment of workers compensation, liability, and unemployment insurance, all required under contract or state or federal law. So let’s do the numbers:
Salary: $75,000.00
Retirement – 5.26%: $3,945.00
Social Security – 6.20%: $4,650.00
Medicare – 1.45%: $1,088.00
Health Insurance – $8,732.00 (lump sum per FTE)
Workers Comp, etc. – 2.70%: $2,025.00
TOTAL: $95,440.00
That’s per school, per year, and it does not include overtime or shift differential if they work nights. Even without that factored in, it would come to a total of $33,785,583.00 for the entire district. Plus you need to add the indirect cost allowance which is included in every federal grant. The current rate is 3.77%, which amounts to $1,237,716, which brings it to a grand total of $35,059,299.00
Too much? Okay, let’s say that they will only pay $75,000 per guard, including the fringes. That brings the salary down to $57,320.00, but it is still going to cost $27,550,808.00 when you figure in the fringes and indirect.
What if we hired private security firms to do all the work and avoid paying all that stuff like retirement and health insurance? After all, those are just entitlements, right? Okay, but a private firm is going to add those costs into the contract, plus this being America and all, there’s going to be a profit written into the contract, and even if it’s a tiny little margin like 3%, it’s still going to cost the same if not more than if they were school employees.
This does not include the cost of the additional insurance that the schools will need to pay for having someone walking around carrying a gun. That’s something you’ll need to take up with Risk Management, but my guess is that it will add about 5% to the budget.
That’s for one school district, albeit a big one. But let’s extrapolate that out to every district in the country, and lets round the number of schools to 100,000. We’re now into the $10 billion range. That’s billion with a B. And that does not include private schools, which will also need the guards and who aren’t all St. Grottlesex with huge endowments of money to pay for them.
We could pay for it by taxing every gun and bullet sold the same way we collect taxes on gasoline to pay for the highway system. Then everyone pays their fair share.
"We could pay for it by taxing every gun and bullet sold the same way we collect taxes on gasoline to pay for the highway system. Then everyone pays their fair share."
Not really, because the guards would also be there to deal with knives, pipes, bats and all other kinds of weapons that turn up at schools...both from outside attackers and the students themselves. We would have to tax knives, pipes and fists as well.
"Okay, let’s say that they will only pay $75,000 per guard"
Where do you get that ridiculous figure from? I have news for you. Most private security guards, like at banks, are doing about minimum wage. Don't be innumerate. Being a guard at a school would not be a dangerous job 99.99% of the time, and 99.99% of the guards would never be involved in any incidents in their entire careers. We don't need formal special forces or blackwater-like pros. 99% of the purpose is deterrent.
And besides, The Rich can just be taxed for it, right? And it's for The Children. Come on Bobby, be careful now or they'll take away your progressive card!
You really want a minimum wage guy carrying a gun guarding a school? That's ridiculous.
Okay, even if we paid them the same wage we pay for the average custodian at a school, you're into the $35,000 a year range including fringes. So it would cost about $15 million a year. Oh, and the ancillary costs such as overtime and equipment and training -- after all, minimum wage people need to be trained -- would bring you back up to pretty close to were you started.
You want it, you pay for it.
"You want it, you pay for it."
Sorry, but that is not how Obamerica functions. Nah, I'm going to go ahead and let the general income, capital gains and estate tax payer foot the bill on this one.
Toodles.
Oh my, a white flag.
Maybe I need to change the post title to "Wayne LaPierre and Jewish Marksman Get Owned."
Heh.
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Oh I absolutely wave the white flag on fiscal conservatism. I'm in the Dennis Miller camp on this one.
You fauxgressives built your class of millions of souls dependent upon the government, you sold them fabricated political candidates to vote for, and you won. I get that. Well played. I'm absolutely playing that game now myself. I don't think the bubble will last forever, but only a fool wouldn't try and get his share before it pops. Teaching my kids Chinese so they'll have a future.
So frankly, like Obamacare, I really don't have the slightest concern what it costs to put guards in schools. I'll mitigate my personal tax bill slightly by investing in private security firms, or any company that supplies the government with security equipment, training, etc. Compare to Obamacare, these guards are chump change. Again, just raise taxes on The Rich and let's Move Forward, Yes We Can!
Call it a white flag, call it pragmatism, I really don't care.
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