If everyone in that theater had a concealed weapon this wouldn't have happened. The audience would have declared their 4th amendment rights and killed that POS.
The guy was wearing body armor. Everyone else wasn't. If it had turned into a gun battle, there would be a lot more dead... except the guy with the body armor. That's the point of it.
The 4th Amendment is the one that protects against searches without a warrant. It's the 2nd that's the one about guns, Copernicus.
(Of course, if "NRA Member" is being sarcastic, then I say, "Well played.")
I am a gun owner. I can see both sides of the argument against/for guns. I just don't know how any law can prevent a crazy person from, well, going crazy and murdering innocent people. Let's say there were no guns in the equation. What's to stop a person from building a bomb/explosive and setting it off in a movie theater?
NRA Member...Me thinks you are a provocateur but, unfortunately, you are making the same arguments that righties and gun nuts are making today...and have always made. They are also adding that liberals and Obama are to blame but that is normal for the times.
Imagine for a moment the carnage and cross fires that would have occurred as the well-armed movie watchers would have pulled out their weaponry and started firing...through the smoke and gas that the gunman had released. No doubt, the death toll would have been much more.
Dice13, you're right. Sh*t is always going to happen no matter what we do. When we live in a free country there is always that risk. The question is do we want to always be paranoid and fearful and (let's be real here) scared of that sh*t or carrying around a gun wherever we go and whatever we or do we enjoy life the best we can and accept the fact that some sh*t we can't control.
Miguel at Gun Free Zone is a paranoid freak and literally has a gun next to him wherever he is, including in his house. That's no way to live, in my opinion. You aren't living. You're existing. And constantly waiting for the moment where you can leap into action and finally use the training you spend all your free time perfecting.
Rick, I wouldn't mind more people carrying IF they had the training you mentioned in your last sentence. The problem is that it's way to easy to get the concealed permits and there's not enought training involoved. However, I see absolutely no reason why anyone should be permitted to have automatic weapons and clips with 100s of rounds. Under the 2nd amendment, yes, we have the right to bear arms, was intended to protect us from gov't and give the ability to revolt against gov't intrusion. But there's nothing stopping us (other than NRA money) from passing rules and regulations that could prevent a tragedy like this. I would equate automatic weapons in the 2nd amend to obscenity in the 1st.
Rick, Anon above here, very true. And I never ever meant to downplay what happened. I meant the same way that we can have regulations on other amendments we can regulate the 2nd. And obviously, from what you said, in a case like this, there's even more so of a reason to realize that the words written more than 230 yrs can't be taken as absolute gospel. Our society just isn't the same.
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If everyone in that theater had a concealed weapon this wouldn't have happened. The audience would have declared their 4th amendment rights and killed that POS.
More guns = more safety.
The guy was wearing body armor. Everyone else wasn't. If it had turned into a gun battle, there would be a lot more dead... except the guy with the body armor. That's the point of it.
The 4th Amendment is the one that protects against searches without a warrant. It's the 2nd that's the one about guns, Copernicus.
(Of course, if "NRA Member" is being sarcastic, then I say, "Well played.")
I am a gun owner. I can see both sides of the argument against/for guns. I just don't know how any law can prevent a crazy person from, well, going crazy and murdering innocent people. Let's say there were no guns in the equation. What's to stop a person from building a bomb/explosive and setting it off in a movie theater?
NRA Member...Me thinks you are a provocateur but, unfortunately, you are making the same arguments that righties and gun nuts are making today...and have always made. They are also adding that liberals and Obama are to blame but that is normal for the times.
Imagine for a moment the carnage and cross fires that would have occurred as the well-armed movie watchers would have pulled out their weaponry and started firing...through the smoke and gas that the gunman had released. No doubt, the death toll would have been much more.
Dice13, you're right. Sh*t is always going to happen no matter what we do. When we live in a free country there is always that risk. The question is do we want to always be paranoid and fearful and (let's be real here) scared of that sh*t or carrying around a gun wherever we go and whatever we or do we enjoy life the best we can and accept the fact that some sh*t we can't control.
Miguel at Gun Free Zone is a paranoid freak and literally has a gun next to him wherever he is, including in his house. That's no way to live, in my opinion. You aren't living. You're existing. And constantly waiting for the moment where you can leap into action and finally use the training you spend all your free time perfecting.
No, thanks.
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Rick,
I wouldn't mind more people carrying IF they had the training you mentioned in your last sentence. The problem is that it's way to easy to get the concealed permits and there's not enought training involoved.
However, I see absolutely no reason why anyone should be permitted to have automatic weapons and clips with 100s of rounds. Under the 2nd amendment, yes, we have the right to bear arms, was intended to protect us from gov't and give the ability to revolt against gov't intrusion. But there's nothing stopping us (other than NRA money) from passing rules and regulations that could prevent a tragedy like this.
I would equate automatic weapons in the 2nd amend to obscenity in the 1st.
"I would equate automatic weapons in the 2nd amend to obscenity in the 1st."
Except that saying m-f'er never helped in mass murders like Aurora.
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Rick,
Anon above here,
very true. And I never ever meant to downplay what happened.
I meant the same way that we can have regulations on other amendments we can regulate the 2nd.
And obviously, from what you said, in a case like this, there's even more so of a reason to realize that the words written more than 230 yrs can't be taken as absolute gospel. Our society just isn't the same.
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