Considering the hateful nature of your blog, I wonder why you don't post more anti-Muslim cartoons?
Consider: recent polls show that the US population is now pro-life by a small majority, or roughly 150 million pro-life. And 1 (one) anti-abortion doctor was recently killed. Since Roe v. Wade, the total is 5.
Nonetheless, you have used your blog to engage in a vicious campaign against those with pro-life views, Christians in particular.
On June 1 you cited to another blog: "F- Reidblog has information about Dr. Tiller's killer including the fact that he had a Christian fish symbol on the rear of his car." On May 31 you wrote: "The shooter was probably pro-life. Isn't it ironic? Don't cha think?"
Now consider, that there are only about 2 million Muslims in the US. And yet, they've managed to kill thousands. We regularly see that Islam is playing a role in nearly every terrorist plot the FBI and other agencies uncover.
There is dubious statistical evidence that either pro-life views or Islamic views indicate a propensity to violence and murder. But clearly, without any scientific doubt, statistically there is a much greater threat from those who hold Islamic views than those who hold anti-abortion views (although one suspects that Islam opposes abortion as well as Christianity).
So returning to my original question, one wonders why you don't hate Muslims or ridicule their views as well? Why don't you post cartoons ridiculing the ironies between their beliefs and aberrant acts of single individuals? What are you afraid of? After all, Islam promotes itself as a religion of peace, and nonetheless has been directly connected to more than five murders, quite possibly hundreds of thousands if not millions. And yet, you feel its better to use your time and energy to mock a statistically proven peaceful group, i.e. the majority of pro-life Christians in the US.
So if you could, please explain this apparent oddity in your thinking and explain why your hate for people with pro-life and/or Christian views is founded.
Can't speak for him, but I don't think Rick has a hate for people who are pro-life and isn't mocking them as a whole. I think he only finds the few who think that violence is the means to their end to be repulsive.
Silver- Consider a cartoon whereby photos of dead bodies killed in suicide bombings (or photos of the twin towers) were being handed out to American Muslims as they leave a mosque. Would such a cartoon be considered remotely appropriate by Rick? Would such a cartoon be characterized as hate speech by Rick?
We both know the answer that progressives like Rick would provide to the above question--they would categorize it as hate speech. And yet, he engages in precisely the same thing here. The cartoon indicts an elder woman depicted in the cartoon for her pro-life views, simply because one person out of 150 million in her demographic killed someone. How is this not as offensive as the hypothetical Muslim cartoon described above?
So, Silver, I strongly disagree with your assessment of Rick.
Anon: I consider a picture of an aborted fetus with "murder" scrawled on it hate speech. It is hate speech simply because abortion is not murder, it is legal. Furthermore, I consider it an assault on my beliefs by narrow minded religious fanatics bent on shaping the world after themselves. I don't, after all, go to churches with pictures of the millions who have been killed in the name of religion, which is a much larger crime for which the churches have neither atoned nor made financial reparations. So there.
If you engage or condone the practice of calling abortion practitioners and people who believe in abortion "murderers" then you have no moral stance to lecture anybody on hate speech.
Anonymous: Thanks for your assessment of my feelings towards Muslims based on one Miami Herald political cartoon about abortion and a post in which I pointed out the irony of a pro-life person, and apparently a Christian, gunning down another human being in cold blood.
Let me insert my "WTF?!?!?" now.
Just for the record, I despise any kind of terrorists that target the United States whether there are cartoons about them or not. That includes extremists Muslims. And, yes, to your disappointment and disfavor, I do make the distinction between Muslims and extremist Muslims. Just like I make a distinction between Christians and extremist Christians who believe killing doctors who perform abortions is justifiable. Just ike I make the distinction between Cuban-Americans and the hardliners.
You, on the other hand, in one post, have managed to assign all encompassing characteristics to progressives, Muslims and "those with pro-life views" in one big, broad brush when nothing could be farther from the truth.
Rick- You fail to explain the hateful nature of your previous posts. Your response to the comment is nonsensical, and fails to address your apparent hypocrisy.
You found it remarkable that the abortion doc killer had a Jesus fish on his car. You found it "ironic" that the killer was "pro-life". Then you post a cartoon on your blog, depicting an elderly lady doing nothing more than exercising free speech, but condemning her cause as murderous.
And yet, you somehow imply that these statements, taken as a whole, are not hateful towards Christians and/or pro-life advocates. You do not, as far as I can tell, reject the notion that such comments, if made by analogy directed towards otherwise peaceful Muslims, would be hate speech.
So yes, Rick. The abortion doc killer was probably part of the pro-life crowd, and had a Jesus fish on his car. Your point? The 9/11 attackers were Muslims, and shouted "Allah is great!" as they killed 3000 people. My point? Immediately after 9/11 we were urged to exercise restraint and avoid retaliation against Muslims, who presumably, were all peaceful people. Where is your restraint against mischaracterization and demonizing Christians and pro-life advocates?
Interesting, that you are so hateful towards people who have done absolutely nothing to you, other than disagree with your moral worldview. Do you really go to bed at night thinking pro-life advocates are all guilty murderers like the one guy who killed the abortion doc? Wow.
Ironic and amusing as hell that by failing to see how, by his own identification of the pro-life depiction in the cartoon with sympathizers for the doctor's assassin, "Anonymous" performs the very act of bigoted generalization he resents; failing to distinguish between extremists and moderates in the movement.
But then, perusing his faulty reasoning regarding Muslims and the bias he exhibits, there's little room for surprise.
Anonymous: are you the same "anonymous" who's been posting similar ignorant positions on Obalesque? You seem to have a better command of the language, but you make the same statements. And have the same name.
Murder is murder. Tiller's killer is a murderer. Tiller was also a murderer. The one does not excuse the other. It's a valid cartoon and thought provoking.
I thought the Military recruiter murder deserved more coverage than it's gotten. Chilling to think the guy had more targets planned.
Ferfel: Murder is murder. You're right. And right now, performing a legal abortion is not. It may be something else, but legally speaking, it is not murder.
The statement, "Abortion is murder" is factually incorrect, which is a fancy way of saying, "wrong." Therefore moral judgments premised on the statement are fundamentally flawed. A conversation that opens with "Abortion is murder," is already over.
"Abortion is killing" is factually correct (i.e., "right,"), so let the moralizing begin. Keep in mind that capital punishment, insecticide application, chemotherapy, euthanasia, suicide, and hunting are also killing. In other words, the act of killing all by itself isn't a sufficient condition for moral condemnation.
Killing a young soldier at a military recruitment center and a doctor inside his church are both horrid, cowardly acts of murder. IMHO, they have as much to do with abortion as they do with filing your nails. Or your taxes.
I guess last night I was a murderer too. I ate a few poached eggs at dinner... Now that I think of it, that friggin Easter Bunny is like the Son of Sam.
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Considering the hateful nature of your blog, I wonder why you don't post more anti-Muslim cartoons?
Consider: recent polls show that the US population is now pro-life by a small majority, or roughly 150 million pro-life. And 1 (one) anti-abortion doctor was recently killed. Since Roe v. Wade, the total is 5.
Nonetheless, you have used your blog to engage in a vicious campaign against those with pro-life views, Christians in particular.
On June 1 you cited to another blog:
"F- Reidblog has information about Dr. Tiller's killer including the fact that he had a Christian fish symbol on the rear of his car."
On May 31 you wrote:
"The shooter was probably pro-life. Isn't it ironic? Don't cha think?"
Now consider, that there are only about 2 million Muslims in the US. And yet, they've managed to kill thousands. We regularly see that Islam is playing a role in nearly every terrorist plot the FBI and other agencies uncover.
There is dubious statistical evidence that either pro-life views or Islamic views indicate a propensity to violence and murder. But clearly, without any scientific doubt, statistically there is a much greater threat from those who hold Islamic views than those who hold anti-abortion views (although one suspects that Islam opposes abortion as well as Christianity).
So returning to my original question, one wonders why you don't hate Muslims or ridicule their views as well? Why don't you post cartoons ridiculing the ironies between their beliefs and aberrant acts of single individuals? What are you afraid of? After all, Islam promotes itself as a religion of peace, and nonetheless has been directly connected to more than five murders, quite possibly hundreds of thousands if not millions. And yet, you feel its better to use your time and energy to mock a statistically proven peaceful group, i.e. the majority of pro-life Christians in the US.
So if you could, please explain this apparent oddity in your thinking and explain why your hate for people with pro-life and/or Christian views is founded.
A few bad apples spoil the bunch.
Can't speak for him, but I don't think Rick has a hate for people who are pro-life and isn't mocking them as a whole. I think he only finds the few who think that violence is the means to their end to be repulsive.
Silver-
Consider a cartoon whereby photos of dead bodies killed in suicide bombings (or photos of the twin towers) were being handed out to American Muslims as they leave a mosque. Would such a cartoon be considered remotely appropriate by Rick? Would such a cartoon be characterized as hate speech by Rick?
We both know the answer that progressives like Rick would provide to the above question--they would categorize it as hate speech. And yet, he engages in precisely the same thing here. The cartoon indicts an elder woman depicted in the cartoon for her pro-life views, simply because one person out of 150 million in her demographic killed someone. How is this not as offensive as the hypothetical Muslim cartoon described above?
So, Silver, I strongly disagree with your assessment of Rick.
Anon: I consider a picture of an aborted fetus with "murder" scrawled on it hate speech. It is hate speech simply because abortion is not murder, it is legal. Furthermore, I consider it an assault on my beliefs by narrow minded religious fanatics bent on shaping the world after themselves. I don't, after all, go to churches with pictures of the millions who have been killed in the name of religion, which is a much larger crime for which the churches have neither atoned nor made financial reparations. So there.
If you engage or condone the practice of calling abortion practitioners and people who believe in abortion "murderers" then you have no moral stance to lecture anybody on hate speech.
Anonymous: Thanks for your assessment of my feelings towards Muslims based on one Miami Herald political cartoon about abortion and a post in which I pointed out the irony of a pro-life person, and apparently a Christian, gunning down another human being in cold blood.
Let me insert my "WTF?!?!?" now.
Just for the record, I despise any kind of terrorists that target the United States whether there are cartoons about them or not. That includes extremists Muslims. And, yes, to your disappointment and disfavor, I do make the distinction between Muslims and extremist Muslims. Just like I make a distinction between Christians and extremist Christians who believe killing doctors who perform abortions is justifiable. Just ike I make the distinction between Cuban-Americans and the hardliners.
You, on the other hand, in one post, have managed to assign all encompassing characteristics to progressives, Muslims and "those with pro-life views" in one big, broad brush when nothing could be farther from the truth.
.
Rick-
You fail to explain the hateful nature of your previous posts. Your response to the comment is nonsensical, and fails to address your apparent hypocrisy.
You found it remarkable that the abortion doc killer had a Jesus fish on his car. You found it "ironic" that the killer was "pro-life". Then you post a cartoon on your blog, depicting an elderly lady doing nothing more than exercising free speech, but condemning her cause as murderous.
And yet, you somehow imply that these statements, taken as a whole, are not hateful towards Christians and/or pro-life advocates. You do not, as far as I can tell, reject the notion that such comments, if made by analogy directed towards otherwise peaceful Muslims, would be hate speech.
So yes, Rick. The abortion doc killer was probably part of the pro-life crowd, and had a Jesus fish on his car. Your point? The 9/11 attackers were Muslims, and shouted "Allah is great!" as they killed 3000 people. My point? Immediately after 9/11 we were urged to exercise restraint and avoid retaliation against Muslims, who presumably, were all peaceful people. Where is your restraint against mischaracterization and demonizing Christians and pro-life advocates?
Interesting, that you are so hateful towards people who have done absolutely nothing to you, other than disagree with your moral worldview. Do you really go to bed at night thinking pro-life advocates are all guilty murderers like the one guy who killed the abortion doc? Wow.
The fact that you don't find anything remotely ironic about a pro-life Christian pumping another human being with lead tells me quite a lot.
Good day, sir.
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Anon: you sound a lot like someone that works with me.
Anon - shouldnt you be out on a ledge somewhere?
Ironic and amusing as hell that by failing to see how, by his own identification of the pro-life depiction in the cartoon with sympathizers for the doctor's assassin, "Anonymous" performs the very act of bigoted generalization he resents; failing to distinguish between extremists and moderates in the movement.
But then, perusing his faulty reasoning regarding Muslims and the bias he exhibits, there's little room for surprise.
Anonymous: are you the same "anonymous" who's been posting similar ignorant positions on Obalesque? You seem to have a better command of the language, but you make the same statements. And have the same name.
Squat, I think you have Anonymous confused with Anonymous. It's a common mistake, really.
Know how I tell them apart?
One has cheese doodle stains on his fingers. The other has a butter tooth.
Thanks, Nonee. Darn thing is, they LOOK so much alike. And they're both so short, too.
Murder is murder. Tiller's killer is a murderer. Tiller was also a murderer. The one does not excuse the other. It's a valid cartoon and thought provoking.
I thought the Military recruiter murder deserved more coverage than it's gotten. Chilling to think the guy had more targets planned.
Ferfel: Murder is murder. You're right. And right now, performing a legal abortion is not. It may be something else, but legally speaking, it is not murder.
.
The statement, "Abortion is murder" is factually incorrect, which is a fancy way of saying, "wrong." Therefore moral judgments premised on the statement are fundamentally flawed. A conversation that opens with "Abortion is murder," is already over.
"Abortion is killing" is factually correct (i.e., "right,"), so let the moralizing begin. Keep in mind that capital punishment, insecticide application, chemotherapy, euthanasia, suicide, and hunting are also killing. In other words, the act of killing all by itself isn't a sufficient condition for moral condemnation.
Killing a young soldier at a military recruitment center and a doctor inside his church are both horrid, cowardly acts of murder. IMHO, they have as much to do with abortion as they do with filing your nails. Or your taxes.
Well said, squathole.
I get tired of the attempts to equivocate.
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I guess last night I was a murderer too. I ate a few poached eggs at dinner... Now that I think of it, that friggin Easter Bunny is like the Son of Sam.
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